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steve and emmalin where do we begin with

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all this what a little bit about our

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backgrounds I suppose yeah yeah so first

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of all though before we go to the the

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network Swansea UFO network what started

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you know what what started you get it

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would be you naturally open-minded as a

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person did you become open-minded with a

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series of events at me do that way is it

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just a need I would say I've always had

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an interest in the subject since the

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1970s with the advent of all the UFO but

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especially the last triangle oops now so

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everything around that period that's

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where my interest started once it was a

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deeply personal time but what it was an

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interest only have had one sighting and

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that was I can remember the exact year

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because I remember the registration of

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the car I was driving funnily enough it

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was about nineteen eighty-eight and I

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was in casual area on castle hill on the

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road coming up from the beach up towards

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Newton all that steep hill is a nasty

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pearl you've got some Eclipse chalets

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which are on the right hand side note

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the view of the sky there is not

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particularly good you got cliffs and

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hills both sides of the road yeah ah

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this was about midnight and I was

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working down there I was a policeman at

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the time and in a previous life and I

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had a job on down there and there was

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two of us standing there and we'd

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blocked the road off and we just

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happened to look up goodness knows why

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and was extremely bright white light

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visible directly above us no I suppose

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it was about midnight and it was a hot

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summer's evening I remember looking up

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and thinking well as can't be an

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aircraft because of his stationary and

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it was too big to be a star it

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definitely wasn't an aircraft and we

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watch it for about five minutes then all

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of a sudden it just took off it just

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took off in a

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you're 70 direction towards the beach

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then all over the week to work as well I

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would just suddenly disappear but the

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speed had disappeared out and you can

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rule out a helicopter would reload to an

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aircraft it was something a very strange

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sighting you know what no meteor and

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Jenna because doing stationary for so

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long prior to that but I'd love to save

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seen a big flying saucer all lit up with

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colored lights running unfortunately I

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have that's the only site and I've ever

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seen but what was the feeling at the

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time not a lot you know I mean ice you

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couldn't report it are you gonna do a

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report of the police i was at please

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that's that yeah but no it it was

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interesting but i didn't dwell on it and

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to be honest for the next 15 years

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although i had an interest in the

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subject it didn't sort of make me

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interest any and didn't further my

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interested in the subject but i really

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started getting interested when I

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retired which was about 2002 and then in

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2002 of course advent of in internet

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then and there was loads of stuff on it

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about UFOs now restarted getting there

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quite a deep interest in the subject ah

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did it overlap with other interests like

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psychic ability and all that of us ya

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don't mind with a lot of different

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subjects but UFOs was the main thing so

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I started looking then about two

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thousand and end of 2014 to see if there

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was a UFO club locally that we could

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join two names cropped up in this one

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the area well in the whales area one was

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in the valleys in South Wales somewhere

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but I sent a few emails to that address

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and didn't get any response and it

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looked as if that the club would shut

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down the other one was actually in

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Swansea but that I went to see the

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chapel who's running that and that had

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stopped running as well

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but he was going to start up again so I

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waited quite a while to see if he were

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gonna start up again and he didn't so

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that the one don't whine straight that's

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right to get so I thought well now's the

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time take the bull by the horns and

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start our own Club so I set up a

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Facebook page and I think we call it

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sorcerer Swansea area UFO examinations

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and research that's where exactly on the

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team yet to get the acronym sorcerer in

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it well it only be not a couple of days

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and then eminen he rang me and basically

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at exactly the same idea as I had

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virtually what the Cygnus a week each

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started putting his own Facebook pages

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as well ya thought I don't start

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something odd yeah start the facebook

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page so I can take it from that yeah

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yeah start with the facebook page and i

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called it swansea UFO club or something

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come emana and then a half hour I put

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search the Google I got a couple of

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local shots from google put those on the

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page just start to fill it out yeah I

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thought what if there's already one in

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existence so I did a search and then

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Steve's came up then I thought I was

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apartments two of us doing it so I close

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mine after they've been half an hour old

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and i joined yours I was like your way

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you have a 52 likes of them whether your

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fascination come from was that in it or

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did you is it learned fascination some

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time all my life from when I was about

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15 16 anak picked a UFO paperback up one

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of the early ones like donald e ki ho or

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j allen hynek one of those early ones

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from a second 60s or 70s I started

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collecting them reading up and over the

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years you know life gets in their way so

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i put the one side and then you come

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back to it for vet then you leave it

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again and then it was only thing the

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last two years i started get back into

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it again with the internet

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update to myself with what's been going

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on and the the local person out that the

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personalities worldwide that into it

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yeah and ufologists and researchers and

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commentators a new research looks like

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Kerry Cassidy project camelot than

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others though yelling friedman yes dr.

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Friedman ever i picked up a couple of

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books recently from him in the last two

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years and I started compiling my own

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database of cases yes you do phenomenal

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database in you've got yeah I was

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picking up worldwide and internet books

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I would just Colonel a chronology of

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reports now there's a few on the

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internet nightcap I've got a little run

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and a slightly boys case that easy go

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will be coming from this is asleep as if

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you some you switch a magnet on and you

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just attracted all this stuff well it's

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since we started the network really

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we've we publicize in it locally yeah PA

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la coming forward that's what really

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impressed me when I when I first met you

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is the router research you've done

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because you have folders full of

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research of local Satan's you done had

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the library to the newspapers yeah

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trolleys patrol in the library Maya

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filmed us to take an awful lot of work

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to do dear did you have any experiences

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growing up of a of any paranormal titles

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it's just a curiosity that built up just

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curiosity built up I did have one

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psyched in the boat when i was living in

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mannar life the first time in but 1996

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and like that my back garden in the

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southern sky yeah it's very high up i

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saw a red light i can only compare it to

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remember in a fire or a far against you

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know the red yeah that sort of quality

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to the likely a fuzzy patch and it was

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moving with an undulating motion like

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that east to west fixed i wasn't feet up

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that's the only suck my bad but

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obviously neither of you without worried

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about you know your public image

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yourself in which you remember as a life

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because I am what I am a people can take

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before what I am was it ever a time

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where you thought you said all or I

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might not do this because I'm afraid of

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what people will say it's unfortunately

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is that stigma your bone to think that I

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think everyone involved in this sort of

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thing burpee being self employed to mean

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you're retired yeah he's don't work in

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the force anymore I'm self-employed so I

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haven't got an employer to worry about

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so because my employer is the the

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general public and I got more qualms

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really firm if i'm known as a UFO nuts

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talega i mean in the past my self esteem

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of being soulless solo I got a drill for

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it so if I think I must see this family

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now but I mean any and you just don't

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care what people think you know you you

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you you your own individual and you know

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thing is the human race people so

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triangle by nature aren't they that that

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it's nice when somebody comes out by my

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own bought that I really do because not

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everybody will do it when I saw was an

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opening for the club as I say I tried to

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find one that was alone there's an open

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for the club and I think the amount of

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people that had come along and opened up

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to us about what they've seen I think

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yeah it was needed yeah it'll well we

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started we had a chat in a rod shop me

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me my partner's old shop in Munster

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Street back in febrile now everyone's

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2015 and we know November 2015 um

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we thought like me set the facebook page

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up and then we met in a pub of a couple

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pints with another guy yeah Jeffrey's

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Jordans yeah and we decided to change

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the name from saucer that you are it was

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too long and we thought on a su club sue

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fork group su fog didn't sue fog didn't

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didn't really sell know and we thought

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network like mutual UFO network in

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America because I'm not shocked people

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that I've been to that's what we're

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trying to gather is a network of people

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who like minds and interests like

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yourself as a discussion group and and

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investigating and people can come to us

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with sightings or no their first meeting

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then was in April's and I think the yeah

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the welcome and hungover love ya we had

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no idea many people to info was sitting

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there wondering if anybody's going to

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turn up to this and then in the meantime

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I had the front page father in the UK

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posting like I saw that horrible picture

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of me that's right but it came at the

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right time this is about two days before

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the meeting started how many do we have

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with the first minute of 46 i think i'm

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also on the badass this ad was 46 a lot

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of form by the wayside but every month

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there's always seems to be new members

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their new people coming along there's

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always that hardcore regulars what their

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regulars who wanders there the facebook

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page with a 311 like snow making the

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facebook page where do you see the club

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going I'm like warned us like 12 started

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the youtube channel and you've you know

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a official videographer yeah how do you

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hope the club

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I mean did you do poor people grow a bit

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like sort of to the standard or to the

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height of Gary Heseltine o people of

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that caliber or did you want to stay on

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a local level but you don't see what's

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happening yeah i think we are

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concentrating on when we started it

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because there's so much on the internet

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about rendell sherman Bedwin mountain

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and Roswell and all the international

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ones and we were constricted by time and

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money and we have got the money all the

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time to travel and reserve thousands of

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miles to interview witnesses because we

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find in this plenty of it witnesses in

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the area is this so much rid up to in

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the file now our file I've got 220 cases

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now get off at 230 cases well there are

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the only ones that have been reported

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imagine yeah haven't been oh and I've

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got those from the newspaper some of the

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internet the people have log filed on

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websites like you UK UFO and beams seen

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that one beams yeah there's a few local

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ones in there um the MOV files Johnny

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nygma was kind enough to send me it give

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me a memory stick with all the released

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met MLG files that he purchased few

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years ago and I'm trawling through those

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getting all the local ones by local we

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looking up sort of bridge n to come more

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than area yeah we could I mean I got a

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couple from Bracken amer phone there's

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12 in Cardiff or not I don't know i mean

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how strange is that the people are

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coming from everywhere and i think more

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people will come forward as time goes on

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because most people they have shame

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attached to the experiences today the

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club is a safe haven for people to come

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along and open up those but like an

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enormous australia we found that the

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people yeah come along when they hear

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other people tenants or was similar to

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their own they will open up and yeah

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people saying they saw earlier this

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summer fun

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where they can come and talk about it

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and get like the Jewish people as well

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yeah yeahs one lady that had the story

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from that she can try a little nuts

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since my 70 and she never told anybody

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and she came and told us and he was like

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a weight off of me yeah that's right

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like he didn't process almost and it's

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great I you know it's the way I found is

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access to say all this all rubbish an

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awesome figment of people's imagination

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or check out the light how do you Debus

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kept it so if you get into arguments for

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them or t or t just a video to a point

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busy i'm not into arguments that beat

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them up we not let me find most people

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if you brush the subjects most people

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wear soy up leaders like house fire yeah

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so much hype on Hollywood doesn't then

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they've done it done this many many

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favors really physical things again

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dependent stay in the threat of are they

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going to invade but I think it's a

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subject we would have an open mind to

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say I've done a few talks over the last

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few months yeah and I think I've opened

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a few Isis through people say you

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probably visited from craft from other

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planets because near acceptable time is

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what 4.2 million like it's not afraid

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was going to favorite salesman they said

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that the nasty negative its say that you

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can't get here from there it's too far

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but what notice of it yeah that's on

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using the technology that they are

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knowable there's an awful lot of

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technology that we

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no vote and is being researched at this